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Clued and James Discuss Crime and Punishment in Society


Being clean cut white dude that's never gone to jail (is there a difference? between jail and prison or is it just semantics) in his life, when I think of prison I think

"That's the place bad people are put so I don't have to deal with them".

This Wayne fellow made a contribution to Vice, talking about his experience:

One almost feels pity for the man. Good writing can do that, make you see things from a man's POV. If I were a liberal I might opine about how such a sensitive and intelligent man shouldn't be locked up.

But apparently there's a good reason he's locked up, cause the guy fucking strangled a girl and buried her in a shallow grave when he was still a juvenile:

It makes me wonder. Is it right that this man lives while another has died? Vengeance is everywhere put down and decried, but it wasn't so long ago that vengeance WAS the law. Eye for an eye and all that. Now you're put in a prison, sentenced for life. Enslaved, basically, cause he fixes and makes things while imprisoned. Choices, trade-offs. The general feeling is that it's better to imprison than execute, but according to the bureau of justice statistics over one and a half million were incarcerated in 2016, the latest data they have. One and a half million people in one year, how many over the past decades, century? How many were rehabilitated vs for life? I'm sure the statistics are in the bureau somewhere.

Anyway I'm rambling. Do you think there's a better answer to crime? Petty, heinous, and otherwise.


Sir, this is a brilliant article overture and I will resist the temptation to use it as an illustration for my outlined piece on Civilized Notions titled Law & Order, but rather try and make sense of where the modern incarcerated person fits in.

There are two broad categories of slaves:

-those physically abducted into the group

-those mentally inducted from within the group.

Where does Wayne fit in?

Wayne and those like him are a combination of the abductee and the exiled inductee. Until the view of one father God, erasing all alternative notions of transcendent being, took hold, barbarian and civilized communities of pre-Imperial types were usually satisfied with exiling evildoers. This is an almost absolute tribal rule of barbarism which slowly gives way as societies take on monstrous proportions. [1] For a civilized version study the careers of Pericles and Alcibiades. Even the heretic of Athens, Socrates, was told to kill himself—even Athens, as it became monstrously civilized retained the primal distaste for killing one’s own.

Wayne has been abducted into a purgatory as a form of tortured exile. The reason for this is quite clearly our terrorized submission to the rule of unnatural laws, such as prohibitions on man’s most natural state, to walk armed in the world and his most intrinsic purpose, to use lethal force to protect his kin and home. All of the many vice laws and other legal prohibitions are mere excuses to jail and imprison a small number of us as examples of what awaits the man who dares to fulfill his nature as an autonomous soul and family protector.

As for the difference, between jail and prison, these are telling.

The jail is descended from the gaol, often spelled goal in the era it served, which was a place for the holding of runaway slaves and debt slaves awaiting reclamation and auction. The jail is now a transitional facility between the court and the prison or penitentiary [place for the penalized] both aspects of the penal system which is now ominously referred to as a corrections system, betraying its actual purpose, which is our infernal induction into the Lie Central to Civilization, that it serves the community rather than being served by its folk.

The penitentiary or prison is a direct descendent from the plantation, which is the basis for early American life. There remains a vast penitentiary in Louisiana, named Angola, which still serves as a plantation. [2]

Execution does not serve The State at all, for every incarcerated person is a leverage upon the slave population that must be taxed to finance their exile and is therefore either a hostage held on a time ransom or an affliction held over the heads of any who might challenge The State’s Godhood. Our current notion of The State, as incorporated in early modern times, is a direct transference of divinity from God to Government, clearly illuminated not only in Romans and Deuteronomy but also in Leviticus, which served as the scriptural foundation of much of Plantation America. Leviticus, above all, stipulates that the Chosen People may only be the slaves of God, not Man, and our laws are written in this vein, with God clearly usurped by Government and the notion of the Ancient Israelites as his chosen slaves embodied in the American Citizenry.

The jail still serves the primary goal of the early modern gaol, which was transfer of the malcontent to a state of servitude. In Baltimore City this concept is expressed as Central Booking, a processing and holding center for those criminals headed deeper into corrections or back into an outwardly obedient state of conduct within the slave society itself.

While barbaric, tribal societies are polities for violent consensus, which facilitate, even demand, revenge upon outsiders and punish indigenous transgressors by ostracizing them among the outsiders, civilized society is based upon a monopoly of this latent, lethal force. The first effect of this monopoly is to deny vengeance and abate the natural tribal order in favor of a deferred state of victimized witness, [3] as The State enacts Justice in place of the individual exacting revenge. The result is generally the sense of injustice as murderers and rapists become the feted children of the greater guilt-based society. This has gotten so heinous in Baltimore, that when an elderly woman was raped and murdered in 2014 by two thugs who were captured, the official municipal statement from the mayor’s office was, “Three lives have been tragically ended.”

Civilizations in a downward spiral suffer from a perverse inversion of the already false notion of Justice, as even the inner thought of a victim that Justice has served in place of Vengeance is invalidated.

Most violent felons, who you would wish to be rid of, are made more violent by their experience. They serve as a threat to the public if released and as a predator class to threaten the potential autonomous defender within his purgatory if he is moved to heresy and defends himself and his kin in the ancient way.

Non-violent offenders sometimes become a danger to society when they were previously not. For the most part the non-violent offender is incarcerated to provide profit for the prison cartels and leverage for government over free-range slaves, as well as slaves for the violent offender, who remains the prince and purpose of the corrections system—his continued existence as a wraith of retribution continually held over the heads of his victims comprising his metaphysical value. In our materialistic culture the murderer is The Avenging Angel of the God of Things and prison is his temple. Indeed, women even sacrifice their minds and bodies to these killers via pen pal and visitation schemes.

In a free society non-violent criminals would be assigned restitution or exiled while violent criminals would be subject to the ancient cult of honor or culled by agents of the victims like the cancer they are.

But we live in a slave society, dream dully in our slave minds, lust vapidly with our slave bodies and die meekly in institutional settings designed to feed our body back into the very mechanism calibrated to erase our soul.


1. Deuteronomy 32:35,Romans 12:17-19 NKJV - Vengeance is Mine ...

Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room ...


3. One may be God's witness or the government's witness, betraying the link of State usurpation of the sacred, which was very strong n such brutal slave societies as the Roman, Inca and Aztec mind hives.

The Logic of Steel Paperback


The Logic of Force


Let the World Fend for Itself

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JoeFourApril 26, 2018 11:22 AM UTC

James, a couple of questions for you. Is it true that jail was originally for temporary holding of persons pending their trial and then the resulting verdict was generally restitution or execution and not long-term confinement? Also, I read somewhere that the modern use of prison (i.e., penitentiary) for long-term confinement was a product of Pennsylvania Quakers who, thinking human nature was basically good and only became corrupted by evil influences in public society, believed that doing penance away from the larger society would rehabilitate the person so confined. Thus, penitentiary comes from the Quakers and their theological belief idea that human nature self-corrects through doing penance. Is this correct?
responds:April 26, 2018 4:50 PM UTC

The gaol was the temporary holding places, where you were held until you were sold.

It evolved into the jail.

The plantation was the life time destiny of the criminal.

Among the plantation owners, the Quakers were the largest owners of European American slaves. Pennsylvania was nothing but plantations until after Independence. The expertise that Quakers had developed for housing and working large numbers of Irish, English and Scottish slaves made them ideally qualified to design the first facilities for housing criminals. It is fair to say that Pennsylvania was a privatized slave state until 1941.

It is fair to say that the strongest influence on modern corrections in the U.S. was Quaker slave management in English Pennsylvania, featuring the work house. The secondary influence, featuring the chain gang, was the Southern American Plantation.
BobApril 26, 2018 12:27 AM UTC

Worse than slaves! A slave feels his shackles.
responds:April 26, 2018 4:52 PM UTC

I have to think that heroin and cocaine marketing to the American electorate by its own government constitutes a set of invisible shackles.
BobApril 25, 2018 9:26 PM UTC

High time-preference guys can get Benson's overall stance here:
BobApril 25, 2018 9:22 PM UTC

Bruce Benson has written excellent papers on these matters. First, how the interposition of the State has denied the victim proper recompense from the aggressor. Second, how "primitive" peoples administered a fair and sustainable system of justice.