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Crackpot Mailbox: Reasonable Bob Has a Movie Challenge

Bob commented on Reign of Coal Dec-21-2018 7:09 AM UTC

Open challenge: Find *one* movie where the unsympathetic villain is black and his innocent victims, white. One!

Delete Bob commented on Reign of Coal Dec-21-2018 7:01 AM UTC

Films that don't fall into the acceptable category - "Idiocracy" and "They Live" - come to mind, do well on account of audience demand, not Hollywood promotion or financial returns.

James responded on Dec-21-2018 at 2:53 PM:


They Live is a true outlier film as a Leftist anti-system horror flick.

Idiocracy split hairs by having Crues as idiot president but depicting low IQ overbreeding as a Caucasian thing.

I can only think of two films.


One is a b-movie from the ots which features the future ebon James Bond, Elba, as a traitor among five mercs, he being the only non-Caucasian, flipping [realistically] on his buddies. Elba was by far the best actor in the film. It was not a totally bad movie, with all the actors pulled from cable TV crime shows and featuring a stunning piece of mixed race ass as a Deep State fixer. I can't remember the title of the movie.


Training Day with Denzel Washington as as the most realistically portrayed unsympathetic villain I have seen in film, and his best role by far, softens his last negative role in two ways:

He screws everybody, his own, Latinos and palefaces.

He is ruthlessly wacked by Russian mobsters, in a way that suggested that Russians would be taking over drug crime in LA and, more realistically, that henceforth, Russians and other Eastern Europeans would provide villains for actions movies. The hand of Deep State script writers is seen strongly here. And ever since, Denzel's movie roles have read like redemptions of this character as he ruthlessly hunts down and slaughters Caucasian villains of unsympathetic type, especially the Russians in The Equalizer.

That's not much, Bob and does not even balance a month of Hollywood film output showing the standard good black bad white narrative. More importantly, these films may represent the last of their anomalous kind.

Note that Unbreakable, the Bruce Willis super hero film, which has Samuel L. Jackson as the villain, 1) makes the villain sympathetic, in that he is a cripple and 2) is being redone to feature an over the top Caucasian Cannibal Crawler villain!

I would like to close with noting that, in today's world, only villains are worthwhile heroes, such as Gerald Butler's role in Law Abiding Citizen, and that system heroes from the POC rainbow, for instance Jamie Foxx as the system hero, played opposite Butler, are vapid compared to the villains. The three people I watched Law Abiding Citizen with and I all cheered on the villain and scoffed at the heroes of law enforcement as they heroically bent, twisted and broke the law in pursuit of their goal of control. As a paleface, I revel in the fact that my kind are depicted as the universal diabolic villain, for only a villain can be a true hero within this sick system. The explicit viewer identification with the villain seems to have begun with slasher horror and most notably The Silence of the Lambs in the 80s and 90s, the fascination with the villainous murderer as sympathetic character, possibly growing out of the hero as killer depicted by Eastwood and Bronson in the 1960s and 70s.

I have actually written much along these lines, with Thunderbird my most recent fictional attack on our sick society.

Night City: The Short Fiction of James LaFond: 2015-16

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WellRead EdDecember 29, 2018 4:59 PM UTC

"Law-Abiding Citizen" with Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx. It's probably my twisted sensibilities that sees Butler's character as the hero, but the lone man striking at the system tickles my revolutionary funny bone.
responds:December 30, 2018 11:56 AM UTC

Foxx was cast as an unsympathetic hero and Butler as the sympathetic villain by intent, and the movie blew up in their face with all the viewers I was with cheering on the evil Caucasian mastermind.

Good pick!
DvFDecember 25, 2018 4:27 PM UTC

In Jack Teacher, the one black character is a Gillian, but not the main one.

I second One False Move as well.

The Gods Must Be Crazy has an unsympathetic black Gillian and both black and white protagonists.

District 9 has a white lead and features villainous Nigerian gangsters, though again, they aren't the main antagonists. (They are Afrikaans, of course.)

The Last King of Scotland, though it's not too hard to see the white protagonist as a craven villain in his own right.

Demolition Man is a silly movie, but it meets the criteria.

Of course! Conan the Barbarian!
BobDecember 24, 2018 3:17 AM UTC

@ Well-read Ed:

Yeah, "The Naked Prey" is good. But imagine for a minute how it would have been had the setting not been Africa but Wyoming, and the natives Blackfoot Indians, as per the original story on which the film was based.
BobDecember 23, 2018 3:48 AM UTC

@ Tony:

I'm going to blot my copybook and admit I've never seen it. I should have cut the ambit down to talkies. But don't you be thinking now that Griffith's legacy can't be shrunk right down and pissed on!
WellRead EdDecember 23, 2018 12:53 AM UTC

"The Naked Prey" starring Cornel Wilde.
BobDecember 22, 2018 4:55 AM UTC

Don't forget to tattoo-up the Russians gangsters with crucifixes and Christian symbols. (Lest Scoop Jackson Russians take offense).
responds:December 22, 2018 11:30 AM UTC

Ad this to the list, I saw it on Netflix last night, Lawrence Fishburn places a crassly unsympathetic contract murderer trying to snuff a little paleface orphan girl in rural America, a girl who is defended by a drunk Afghanistan war vet named Carter Green, who is about to blow his own brains out with the last shell in his 20 gauge when the girl comes to seek his protection. Fish even calls him "hillbilly" and "white trash!"

Its called Standoff, I think, 2015 directed by Adam Alleca—good small-cast low-budget movie.
BobDecember 22, 2018 4:16 AM UTC

Damn! I thought I had that nailed! I haven't seen "Training Day", so thanks. (I avoid Denzel Washington's stuff, a good rule, generally).

Actually, one did come to me afterwards, "One False Move" (1992). Carl Franklin directed it and didn't make the black thug either funny or cuddly or a sage. Or even with the exculpatory, sad childhood. A black director who managed to create black characters a bit less cartoon-like than usual.
responds:December 22, 2018 11:35 AM UTC

I'll check out this One False Move movie.
LaManoDecember 22, 2018 3:14 AM UTC

I think your Idris Elba movie was "The Losers", and the mixed race gal was Zoe Soldana who also plays Uhura in the new Star Trek movie series ....
responds:December 22, 2018 11:37 AM UTC

Thanks, LaMano. I don't usually go for skinny chicks, but there is something about that big-eyed quadroon that got my bad intention.
Tony CoxDecember 21, 2018 5:12 PM UTC

Birth of a Nation!