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Real Giants in Combat
Size Liabilities, Advantages and Relationships with Tactics and Three Plausible Giant Types


I will cite fights below, fights that should be searched online.

Weight—muscle, bone fat and fluid—slows motion and causes fatigue

Weight bearing limbs [legs] of large men suffer greater shock when struck while bearing weight. [Marcu Ruas verses Paul Varlens, early UFC] Generally the story of giants in combat sports is a sad one.

An advancing combatant’s weight will amplify the force of defensive thrusts. This concept is used by spear and pike men against charging cavalry.

Gigantism causes an enlarged mesomorphic jaw with the jaw being the principal vector for shocking the cervical spine and breaking communication between the brain and body.

Height exposes that jaw, as well as the vital throat.

Elongation of the spin in tall primates reduces load bearing and increases spinal injuries.

Elongated bodies react less quickly to the will of the fighter and cause a reaction lag.

Overall real giants come in two types typified by Hung Man Cho and Bob Sapp who fought each other, as well as numerous normal size people. Generally speaking the elongated Hung Man Cho type suffers coordination-reaction problems and structural injuries, while the thicker Sapp type suffers from extreme muscular fatigue and muscular injuries.

Giant Strategies

Hurling large missiles is a good giant strategy, attested to in the Iliad and suggested by the behavior of large primates.

Strike from a distance with sweeping weapons, as accuracy with thrusting weapons will be retarded and with heavy crushing weapons the second strike will be delayed, as the Lord of the Nazgul found out in grey dismay on the fields of Gondor.

Extremely large fighters that act on solid intelligence are invariable out fought by speedier small men. I coached, at the same time, Cory [6’5” 400 pounds] and Brett [4’10” and 75 pounds. This is the same approximate size difference as suggested by BF in inquiring about fight characteristic between 5.5 and 10 foot tall antagonists. At five times the weight Cory has a size advantage similar to that enjoyed by the Devil in Iron over Conan. Brett forever vexed Cory, bruising his hands into numbness and beating the big man’s sensitive knees. However, this was abetted by Cory being an intelligent, thinking fighter who wished to prevail as a martial artist via skill, not brute force. In their last two meetings at around that size both fights were over quickly, via KO to the giant and disarm by the giant.

The giant’s greatest advantages are found in his weight [which may cause his own demise by walking into a thrust] and his grip, which is something he retains even when compromised. Giants should be much more difficult to disarm and enjoy bonuses for disarming.

As for other weapon strategies, BF suggested the giant armor his legs and kick. The giant better armor his legs as they are not only accessible targets but his weight bracing on them makes them absorb more shock.

The greatest asset a giant character can attain in terms of weaponry, is a proportionately thick shield. Whether or not this shield is large or small in terms of coverage, if it is made proportionately thick, normal weapons will not be able to shiver it. It has been found in real contact sparring and competition that larger men are better served by a shield than smaller men as the shield may be used to translate fighter weight into force.

Conversely, protective gear has been determined to serve the oversized fighter less well as it is not proportionately thick and the large fighter’s bulk tends to expand the armor from the interior, compromising and eliminating such protective aspects of the gear as blade drag, air-braking and padding.

Giants should operate as aggressive stalkers, keeping up pressure on the smaller enemy and drawing a stroke. Big fighters with the patience to let a smaller fighter strike the first blow have the advantage of not being disrupted as much by the stroke as a smaller person and are able to nullify the smaller combatant’s reaction time advantage by getting him to spend it up front. Watch George Foreman against Joe Frazier and Ken Norton and George in his comeback, to see this stalking/counterpunching concept in action.

Kicking on the low line is an excellent tactic for large fighters.

Of course, in a setting that has fantasy giants of 12-20 feet in height, all a giant would need would be a staff made of a tree trunk and armored shins and boots to kick humans and horses around like so many squeaking toys. Such a giant could wipe out a company of men in moments.

Lastly, in early role playing games some weapons were given triple damage ratings against giants. This is generally wrong. Simply adjust thrusting attacks against an oncoming giant for their mass to add to the strike, and disqualify weapons which cannot reach a giant’s vitals [like a dagger] from scoring torso kills.

Of course, against giants, eyes will be prime targets, with the throat second and the groin third.

Finally, giants should never overlook the value of pushing. There is a reason why pushing is against the rules in most sports—because it works. For the importance of pushing see the last video below and imagine that every size increase on the part of the pusher amplifies the effect. A push takes the opponent's initiative away by setting him on his heels or worse, on his rear.

Two Plausible Giant Types with Ideal Weapons

Due to the primate structure:

giants over 6.5 feet have biomechanical lag

giants over 7 feet have structural defects and health issues

giants over 8 feet are critically elongated and suffer from terminal defects

Giagantopithecus is an example of a 9.8 feet tall primate that became massive [1,200 pounds] in order to support its frame. It is postulated that if a primate became bigger than this it may not be able to cool down when overheated. In any event, almost 10 feet—and half as broad—is as big as primates have apparently gotten. I would suggest basing giant races on human freaks and this great ape.

Civilized Giants

I propose a magic using race of gracile giants ranging from 7 to 9 feet, who engage in sorcery to extend their lives and improve their athletic deficiencies. These giants should domesticate extra large animals to draw sleds and chariots, and, in warm climes, could be expected to favor aquatic environments and sailing vessels.

Enslavement of humans would be a key component of such a giant culture. The recognition that humans have inherent strengths such as biomechanical function and longevity, would engender fear and jealousy and inform a doctrine of human demonization and servitude.

Such giants would favor archery, kite-shaped shields, tridents and slashing swords over other weapon types.

Feral Giants

Human Giant crossbreeds may serve as a retrogressive tribe of criminals living a nomadic life. Your super-warriors would come from this mix, where you would get athletic seven-foot specimens.

Wood Giants

Old growth forests would be the preferred habitat of a giant, slouching subhuman that would throw rocks, have reeking scent glands, wish to mate with human and giant women forcibly, wield simple—and grotesquely effective—clubs as weapons and be covered with two thick coats of hair. Crude stone knives and spears would be within the realm of possibility.

This guy would be a squatish 9-10 feet tall and run between 900-1300 pounds.

His favorite from of combat would be rending [Grendel was definitely a Wood Giant adapted to living in fens.], with his fingernails possibly equal to a grisly claw. Such a giant would be nocturnal and would never leave forest cover during daylight. I like the Wood Giant as a creature who hibernates during the brief arctic summer and then emerges ravenously hungry. He should be prone to wide ranging rapine as he seeks human and civilized giant mates of the unwilling kind during the arctic period of perpetual night. Let’s give him some nice fangs.

Finally, this should be the giant that kicks with his tree-trunk shin bone.

Links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjkTK2HNQwE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o7lrNQZ8K8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8yJcfar7fA

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ShepJanuary 23, 2017 5:47 PM UTC

I dunno if these are photoshopped or not, but Nikolai Valuev is one impressive Neanderthal:

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/heavyweight-champion-nikolai-valuev-of-russia-lands-a-left-before-picture-id92884888

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/nikolai-valuev-of-russia-and-john-ruiz-of-usa-seen-in-action-during-picture-id56448424
BrianJanuary 22, 2017 2:31 AM UTC

Watching Game of Thrones on DVD. Character named Gregor Clegane, called The Mountian That Rides, played by Hafbor Julius Bjornsson. 6'9" and 400+ pound strong man competitor.

2 interesting example of a very large man, small giant fighting. In the show they portray him as being taller, near 8'.

In season 4 he fights another man in a dual to the death. He is in plate armor with a two handed sword that he wields one handed. The other man seems very average in stature, 5'10"ish 175lbs give or take, no armor and using a spear. The lighter man dominates the fight with his personal speed and the speed of his weapon. The reach of the spear is also longer than th e reach of the sword but not by much. It is the speed that mattered. The lighter man had him on the ground but wouldn't finish him until he received a confession of past wrongs, forgetting that a down man isn't a dead man... Never give anyone strong enough to burst your skull barehanded on opening.

The other example is of Bjornsson and a Conor McGregor, who is a UFC featherweight fighter with a 18-2 record, play sparing for lack of a better term. The video is at deadspin.com but I think any search of either Bjornsson or "The Mountain That Rides" will turn it up.

What struck me about the play sparing video is that a big strong man with some speed and skill and endurance would be a nightmare. If they were even seriously sparing, let along truly fighting, I don't see how the little guy would even have a chance unless he had a weapon. Going for a knee or ankle or chin might work but if it doesn't and he gets a grip or shot on you...

I'd like to read what you think of both videos if you get a chance to watch them. I thought they were inteasting as possible examples of fantasy and real life combat between opponents with a large size difference.
responds:January 22, 2017 9:09 AM UTC

I will look for these videos.

thanks for the input, Brian.

Check out Semmy Shilt fighting in the UFC for the hand strength issue. In a fight from around 2004 he meets a man from the Lion's Den who was a legit heavy and held his wrists like a father holding a baby's arm.

If one cannot access the eyes or the chin [the groin is less reliable for targeting when legs are moving] than beating a freakishly big man who is athletic, fit, skilled and determined can only be done with superior mobility and an eye for the long battle of attrition, or as you mentioned a weapon—a good weapon.
Sam J.January 20, 2017 7:09 PM UTC

If you want to read about real giants see here.

http://www.genesis6giants.com/

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=30

The Romans fought giants. At first the Romans were fearful and were defeated. They came up with a formula to defeat them. One Man would thrust at the giants face with a lance, making him raise his shield, while another would attack the legs. I've always wondered if the battlefield could be found and some of the giants bones dug up.

See Provence, Battle in on this page about the giants

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/gigantes/WEurope10.html

Somewhere there's a link about this but I can't find it. I read a book a long time ago that cataloged all the giants in history.

Near where I live is a huge Indian mound. The chief of the area was 8' tall.